Please give me instances which prove materialism?
You went to Dawkinswatch’s blog, you commented, he decided that the main reason we were all Atheists was because we were materialists, he wrote a new post.
Well… I think I should first make two things quite clear:
Materialism here does not mean the same thing as consumerism (just to make sure we’re all on the same page).
I’m an Atheist for the same reason why I’m a materialist. There is about as much evidence for a god as there is evidence fo ghosts. Nada.
It’s not that I’m an Atheist because I reject the possibility that there is a spiritual realm out of hand. It’s just as simple as this: If there’s a realm outside of our own, if it can affect our realm it will leave evidence.
Objection to materialism number one:
1) Many People Have Experience The Spirit World
People who have converted to Christianity have gone from believing in the non existence of God, to being filled with the Holy Spirit. Well It is rather arrogant for those Atheists to dismiss their experiences.
Call me arrogant, but when Joseph Smith claimed to have experienced seeing twelve golden tablets conveniently shoot off into heaven I didn’t believe him, and neither did Dawkinswatch. Call me arrogant but when Travis Walton told me he experienced being abducted by aliens I didn’t believe him. Call me arrogant, but when the man standing on a street corner told me he had a vision of Puff the Magic Dragon coming and loosening destruction upon the Earth in 2012 I didn’t believe him. Call me arrogant, but people “experience” things all the time, not just the Holy Spirit. Followers of voodoo have experiences similar to pentecoasts in that they try to be posessed by spirits. Muslims feel the spirit of Allah. New Agers feel “strange energy signals” from crystals and rocks. You dismiss all of those experiences, but choose to accept only those whose “experiences” support your beliefs.
Experiences are a part of empiricism and that’s all well and good as long as other people can verify your experiences. I’m perfectly prepared to believe in the Invisible Pink Unicorn once you show her on a thermal camera, when you show me her footprints in the sand, and when I have eliminated all other possible causes of those phenomena.
While I’m at it… religious experiences, alien abductions, and ghosts can be induced by things other than gods, extra-terrestrials, and restless spirits. See article in Newsweek about Michael Persinger and his work.
2) Yoga and Eastern Religions are About Yoking with gods (spirits)
I have featured Yoga gurus claiming to have experinced visions of the Spirit world after opening themselves up to the spirit world. Now to a materialist. this does not make sense, but I have been around when I felt the existence of spirits. Former guru speaksout on Yoga.
3) Muslims Meeting Jesus
In Fact this how many Muslims are converted they experience Jesus and see him. Muslims Visions of Jesus.
Again Materialists need dismiss everyone out of hand without giving reasons why that should be.
4) Have You Ever Seen A Hypnotic Show
Anyone who has studied hypnosis knows that it is Mesmer or animal magnetism. Now mesmer was a magician, in these situations Atheist/Materialists see the physical manifestations and do not perceive what it is.
Er… Magicians don’t use spiritual or other-worldly thingies to make their trick work. They use slight of hand, psychology, etc.
Ever seen Darren Brown? Or for that matter, any magician? The good ones will usually tell you that they don’t use any psychic powers. Look up James Randi on YouTube, or Penn & Teller.
I have mentioned the likes of Sir John Dee, the astrologist to Queen Elizabeth I , was into Angel Magic and he once drew a grey alien called Lam who he was communicating with.
Now to make Freemasonry more acceptable his successor as the leader of the Rosicrucian, Sir Francis Bacon withdrew theurgy and cabala from the lower orders and reserved them for higher degrees. Was Lord Bacon Shakespeare?
I once drew a picture of Harry Potter in my science class. Was I communicating with Harry Potter? I once wrote a horoscope and had a room full of people rate it’s accuracy and I averaged 4.1/5, but I’m not an “astrologist”. I just used a technique called Cold Reading (see this post).
As for the rest…
What the fuck?
6) Intelligence Experiments with Psychics
Well there is not demarcations between the world of intelligence and the occult some of the best spies were conjurers, Alister Crowley was a MI6 agent, Sir John Dee and Sir Francis Bacon were in valuable in the founding of British intelligence. In “the Cold War”, both the KGB and CIA were heavily involved in psychic experiments.
Again, conjurers use non-supernatural methods.
Look, Bush got the intelligence agencies to say that there were WMDs in Iraq. I’m not all that impressed that the same people did experiments on psychics. Also, see Project Alpha.
Please give me instances which prove materialism?
See your hand? What do you think it’s made out of? Phlogiston?
Take a watermelon to the top of a tall building. Make sure that nobody is bellow. Drop the watermelon. Record results.
In the mean-time, I think you’ll have to explain this comment you left on my blog last time…
– I should have really asked are you against the English Grand Lodge and in favour of Grand Orient Fremasons , the originators of Atheism.
The British believe in The Great Architech of the Universe.